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Scope / Mission

As discussed on the bike pgh forum, the purpose of this wiki is to better present information that people keep asking about. We should create a mission statement that includes exactly what we want this wiki to prove. Possible things to include:

  • General cycling tips
    • gear, taking the lane, signaling, etc
    • a lot of this could be supplemented by links to external resources-- no need to reinvent the wheel
  • Local cycling tips
    • tips for roads, intersections
    • Resources (the outdoor fix-it stations downtown and at the Bike pgh office)
    • Riding groups and organizations
    • these is where this wiki should really shine-- best suited to present this information
  • Routes
    • could include suggested routes to link common points of interest (ie, an explanation of the great northeast passage, routes from the SS Flats to Highland Park, etc)
    • plays off former section and will also discuss road tips (like: paper streets, pedestrian cut-throughs, busy roads to avoid, etc)

Let me know what you think. -- Ted 12:29, 4 December 2013 (MST)

Agree but I think it's good to let this develop as users need -- we don't need to plan everything out, just create some pages we think are useful and then add them as folks see a need, I think. BTW BikePgh has a really good page on commuting. We don't need to duplicate that work. And I'd be inclined to focus on things that are more relevant to the local community (e.g., gear for rain) rather than general advice like taking the lane (which applies everywhere).--Jonawebb (talk) 13:45, 4 December 2013 (MST)

I agree with Jon re: not planning everything out, just edit as we go. I do think we need to identify repetitive topics as a starting point. The ones that stick out to me: GAP_FAQ, StolenBike_FAQ, LocalShops(brands carried, location, phone, services offered, etc.), Group Rides (can just link to other local sites: W.PA.Wheelmen, MajorTaylor, BikePgh, OscarSwan book). Other things that I feel are important/priority: locking technique, general safety (PA Cycle manual), and local resources (lhorba, porc, bikepgh, GAP, urbanvelo, dirtrag, bicycletimes, etc.). Pgh has a lot going for it, I don't think any one webpage really makes this obvious. --Drewbacca (talk) 23:31, 4 December 2013 (MST)

The main page should have some links to the most important topics. Just relying on search to find them isn't enough, and if they aren't there people will probably create the same sites more than once. We can always merge pages that get duplicative, but it's a pain. --Jonawebb (talk) 07:29, 5 December 2013 (MST)

As long as everything is linked to from the main page, I think that would be ok. It can function as a kind of large table of contents for the whole website. -- Ted 07:54, 5 December 2013 (MST)

I created http://bikingpgh.com/index.php?title=Work_in_progress as a place to keep track of what has been started. --Drewbacca (talk) 11:09, 5 December 2013 (MST)

Created page for shop listings: address, phone, website, and eventually brands and a short description of services. --Drewbacca (talk) 23:22, 6 December 2013 (MST)

Created a page for stolen bikes... http://bikingpgh.com/index.php?title=Stolen --Drewbacca (talk) 00:54, 7 December 2013 (MST)

The main page should be reorganized as other pages come online -- I'd like it to be a higher level view of what's available here rather than direct links to other Internet resources. I've gone ahead and linked in the Dangerous Drivers and Rain Gear pages I've been working on. I'm done with those pages for now -- others can add to them as they see fit. --Jonawebb (talk) 11:53, 9 December 2013 (EST)

@Jon, it's on my to-do list to take some of those links and incorporate them into guides e.g. How to buy a bike, basic fitting questions, or whatever. Incorporate the links on a new page, and reduce the number links on the main page. I see the massive amount of off-site links as just a step along the way... a chance to group-think and share links before such a page gets started. So, yeah, I agree. --Drewbacca (talk) 14:01, 12 December 2013 (EST)

Licensing

We should create an "about" page that goes through some legal mumbo-jumbo. We should consider how content on here is handled copyright wise. How does everyone feel about multi-licensing? (dual CC-BY-SA and GFDL is how handles copyrights. Right now the default MediaWiki licensing seems to be in effect, per the message at the bottom of the edit-box on each page: "Please note that all contributions to Biking PGH are considered to be released under the Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike (see Biking PGH:Copyrights for details). If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here. You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!" -- Ted 12:34, 4 December 2013 (MST)

I don't care about the licensing, whatever you or Dan think is fine by me. --Jonawebb (talk) 13:46, 4 December 2013 (MST)

Technical to-dos

  • Image for top-left Done 12/6 Reddan
  • Favicon Done 12/6 Reddan
  • New user registration creates a user as an admin and a bureaucrat by default right now. We should at most have three bureaucrats, maybe just two? We could have a few more admins, but once we start sharing this wiki with "the world", we definitely don't want new users registering to have any sort of special privileges. -- Ted 12:38, 4 December 2013 (MST)

Agree -- Dan should turn that off -- we or he can make admins as necessary. --Jonawebb (talk) 13:45, 4 December 2013 (MST)

  • Need to set up automatic database and site backup, test restore at least once --Reddan (talk) 16:19, 7 December 2013 (EST)

Ahlir (talk) 14:31, 4 December 2013 (MST):
We do want to control user registration, otherwise the site will be taken over by spammers. MediaWiki has the following (controllable) features:

  • new users have to approved by an admin
  • new users initially cannot post for a certain time (e.g. 1 day)
  • registration involves doing a Captcha.

Reddan (talk) 17:26, 4 December 2013 (MST):
Currently, users are not created as admins/bureaucrats, but we don't require approval before posting...I'm thinking that Captcha is a reasonable compromise between spamblocking and excessive admin overhead.

Sounds reasonable. It also appears I was mistaken about the new user privelages thing. -- Ted 07:52, 5 December 2013 (MST)

Ahlir (talk) 08:56, 5 December 2013 (MST):

  1. Image upload is currently disabled. I think it would be nice to have; there might be space considerations to consider however.
  2. Captcha it should be. Though one admin duty would be to occasionally check up on users and pages (occasionally human spammers do the registering).
  3. Date/Time preference doesn't seem to work (I want to fix the MST thing). Is there a global config setting for this?

Reddan Set time zone to America/New_York...I suspect we'll still see problems with DST, but one thing at a time. (heh) --Reddan (talk) 09:46, 7 December 2013 (EST): Well, setting the timezone didn't appear to do jack. More research is required.

Drewbacca (talk) What's the issue with the timezone setting? All of my posts have been recorded in EST despite my currently being in the central zone... -- 15:05, 7 December 2013 (EST) Timezone stuff is goofy...even the MediaWiki docs are full of "this voodoo worked on her system, but not on mine." I need to spend some quality time playing with it...some danger there, as there is a documented tendency to crash PHP when modifying some of the MediaWiki's settings on a live site. --Reddan (talk) 16:19, 7 December 2013 (EST)

I think the traffic on this site is such that taking it down for a few minutes late at night to make some quick settings updates would not be a problem. -- Ted 13:16, 28 January 2014 (EST)

Ahlir (talk) 16:00, 17 December 2013 (EST): We need an email address so that visitors can complain/suggest and so on. Also, it make the enterprise look a bit more respectable...